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[VioletZer0]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101503-Kotick-Wants-Call-of-Duty-Subscriptions-Tomorrow

[EG NeoMorph]

He's talking MMOFPS rather than the current crop of shooters like Black Ops is... Maybe something on the style of MAG but making it an MMO.

[KronicMayhem]

As long as they follow suit with EA's pay to play online thing their bringing in and all new purchases are automatically in and second hand purchases must pay the extra fee i could care less, almost all my games i buy new and don't play the second hand games that i buy online.

[Keetmanshoop]

As long as they follow suit with EA's pay to play online thing their bringing in and all new purchases are automatically in and second hand purchases must pay the extra fee i could care less, almost all my games i buy new and don't play the second hand games that i buy online.

No, it's not in EA's fashion, he's talking about a subscription-based system where you pay monthly or yearly to get extra content or just in order to play it online. I think Neo is also right in the sense of it being like MAG, a persistent, massive world where actions in one part affect the balance of the game in other areas (like one team has to go in to destroy a SAM battery and if they fail then they and their allied teams don't get air support until or if they do).

It's just Activision taking more money from their customers. To anyone who bought the map packs, was it really worth the $30? Does it really change the gameplay and make it fresh? Or are you playing the same game you have been since November 2007? I don't want to be an ass about this but it's time to open your eyes, first-person shooter fans, the CoD series has been going downhill since after the release of CoD4. Nothing Activision can possibly do will top that game, even taking MAG's concept and expanding it won't revolutionize the series. Now comes the subscription fees and if it's not mandatory, prepare to get your ass kicked in every game you play because some kid half your age whined until his parents used their credit card to unlock everything. If it is mandatory, they're going to kill their fanbase (especially on Xbox 360) and their customers will move on to other, cheaper games. I don't see either side coming out ahead in this.

And then they'll blame piracy and a biased media for poor sales, just like with the Guitar Hero series when in reality if they didn't shove 5 titles in our faces in two years, we might have more incentive to spend our money on their products.

[Red Intensity]

I can already imagine people waking up and booting up their CoD titles and attempting to access the multiplayer, only to be redirected to a registration screen. Once people read it and see that Activision would be charging them to play, who in their right mind would agree to such a thing?

Even worse, Kotick didn't even say what was gonna be added if people were to subscribe. He just flat out wants to charge people just for the sake of corporate greed.

And then they'll blame piracy and a biased media for poor sales, just like with the Guitar Hero series when in reality if they didn't shove 5 titles in our faces in two years, we might have more incentive to spend our money on their products.

They'll primarily blame piracy, since it's the new scapegoat of 21st century gaming, only because a hell of a lot more people are aware of it. This reminds me of negligent parents blaming video games when their children become too dumb to live.

And yes, I'm gonna avoid all CoD titles, except the ones I own, like the plague. They just made Halo: Reach and Medal of Honor look great in my eyes, if they didn't before.

[SeeNoEyez]

This is stupid.

If it was where they were needing to improve on a game and required the money to stabilize themselves i would understand. These companies are not trying to keep a budget while PWNING with a game. There are no creative solutions, instead it's "WE WANT MONEY AND WE NEED IT PLEASE!"

Take a look at Valve. They are a solid company that works hard to put out a good game. Say what you will on your opinion of them, but PEOPLE LOVE THEIR GAMES. They seem to care about their community rather than make their community just care about them.

I think the problem is that companies are too worried about competing with each other in sales more than anything else. If COD was able to sell a shit ton and make millions of dollars they use that as their reasons the game is "the best". Nothing is to improve a game, its a way to make more money and keep people interested in it.

Bite me.

[Keetmanshoop]

This is stupid.

If it was where they were needing to improve on a game and required the money to stabilize themselves i would understand. These companies are not trying to keep a budget while PWNING with a game. There are no creative solutions, instead it's "WE WANT MONEY AND WE NEED IT PLEASE!"

That's exactly why Activision has released so many DLC sets for the GH series, I bet they'd do a tiered subscription service for X, Y, and Z amount of DLC every month if they could.

Take a look at Valve. They are a solid company that works hard to put out a good game. Say what you will on your opinion of them, but PEOPLE LOVE THEIR GAMES. They seem to care about their community rather than make their community just care about them.

It seems Valve and Activision have the opposite attitude towards games: Valve takes care of their customers and has all sorts of sales all the time (there's a Summer Sale right now that's going to last 13 days I think), they actually respond to their customers, and they continually support their products.

I think the problem is that companies are too worried about competing with each other in sales more than anything else. If COD was able to sell a shit ton and make millions of dollars they use that as their reasons the game is "the best". Nothing is to improve a game, its a way to make more money and keep people interested in it.

Bite me.

It's always about money, it's always about their stockholders, it's always about the $5 million bonus Bobby Kotick got in 2008. Gamers are their lowest priority because we've already seen that they'll release the product THEY want instead of what we want. They had the chance to do wonders with the Modern Warfare series and they blew it on the first sequel, unwilling to step outside their comfort zones again and revolutionize their game.

The only way to do something about this is to stop buying their products and inform your friends about why they shouldn't buy any CoD game in the future.

[SeeNoEyez]

Valve has done so much to try and let people REALIZE that their game is fun etc rather than MAKE people love it. The community is awesome because of it. I mean, there have been a lot of free games and updates from them. I don't know about you, but I am willing to try something out if it's free! haha. And, I am also willing to allow for a few bugs here and there. But it doesn't end there, Valve has the time to even fix those as soon as possible.

I just wish some game companies would(or could, since they can be controlled by a higherup) follow some of the same ideology. The dlc is tested not only by players but the team. It's not just "was this fun/look cool and do able", it's "how does this affect the game".
More Balance.
Cooler stuff( as it seems companies will stick closer to what already works than move away).

Ugh, companies focus on their successes rather than their improvements/their potential.
Like if this pay-to-play shit becomes the norm, (hypothetically), they will say "LOOK OMFG WE HAS 2MILLIONS PEOPLE PLAYING AND PAYING)". When in reality, they could have gotten millions more people with some tweaking.

[Keetmanshoop]

Valve has done so much to try and let people REALIZE that their game is fun etc rather than MAKE people love it. The community is awesome because of it. I mean, there have been a lot of free games and updates from them. I don't know about you, but I am willing to try something out if it's free! haha. And, I am also willing to allow for a few bugs here and there. But it doesn't end there, Valve has the time to even fix those as soon as possible.

I just wish some game companies would(or could, since they can be controlled by a higherup) follow some of the same ideology. The dlc is tested not only by players but the team. It's not just "was this fun/look cool and do able", it's "how does this affect the game".
More Balance.
Cooler stuff( as it seems companies will stick closer to what already works than move away).

When they are controlled by a guy who publicly said he'd like to remove fun from the process of making games, you know it's only about money and them trying everything they can to get away with your very last dollar. Steam, on the other hand, has so many sales and promos that buying new and old games does take your last dollar because they offer ridiculous prices most of the time. I know several people who are glad to buy through Steam because it's convenient and the price is normally right for them.

Ugh, companies focus on their successes rather than their improvements/their potential.
Like if this pay-to-play shit becomes the norm, (hypothetically), they will say "LOOK OMFG WE HAS 2MILLIONS PEOPLE PLAYING AND PAYING)". When in reality, they could have gotten millions more people with some tweaking.

You mean like World of Warcraft's ads, proudly shouting to everyone they have 11 million subscribers? What they don't want you to know is how they start and keep you addicted to their product. It'll be less about innovation in this next console generation and more about keeping you buying new DLC and lining their pockets.

[EG NeoMorph]

There is one thing I REALLY hate about Valve... and I mean REALLY FREAKIN HATE!!!

WHERE THE FRAK IS EPISODE THREE ??????

[Guyyug]

I'm with Neo, actually playing through Half-life 2 again at the moment.

[yeehz]

On the fact of the companies making money, I just purchased a new MW2 because mine just went unreadable after 2 weeks of trying to get it to work. Heh, they built this game cheap as well. My WaW disc at x4 as many scratches as MW2 and it still works fine, PLUS the fact that MW2 was downloaded to my hard drive.

[EG NeoMorph]

Don't you install your games to the hard drive to stop the DVD drive from spinning. It would stop instances of disc scarring I would have thought...

[Guyyug]

I actually found installing games to the HDD made it more difficult for it to read. Happened everytime on my FO3, disc unreadable in paradise fall. Deleted the installation and the game ran fine.

The disc still spins though, considered that a slight knock can even knock a disc out of the tray still causes problems. My xbox was done it to three of my discs and once I didn't even touch the xbox, I think my dog knocked the unit it was on, that is all.

[EG NeoMorph]

I think you might have a dodgy hard drive if that is happening... I've never, ever had a problem with FO3 being installed on the hard drive. Not once!

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